Special guest post: Yet another is Windows Phone for me?

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A Special Guest Post by Scott Barnes, aka MossyBlog.

Yes this is yet another one of those “I tried the phone but don’t like it, here’s why” posts. I probably will not differ in opinions that others have had over the phone simply because after 30 days of trial I simply could not bond with it. Here is why.

Marketplace is war of the clones.

If anyone has read my blog, they will probably read a post or two about my annoyance at the applications in the market place that are basically “clones” of one another. The apps in general rarely express their own personality, are typically the remains of developers using the default “File-New-Project” templates. Having this occurrence in turn creates a problem for the phone as once consumers of the phone establish a bond with the “metro” look they will eventually grow weary of its consistency & aesthetic design(s) (it loses its wow factor).

I also find that the apps in question generally fail at providing value or depth, which is disappointing given how easy it, is to make an application for the phone and how much room you have to play with as well.

There were some stand out apps that phone had that I valued but not enough to warrant a jump from iPhone to Windows Phone 8 as apps like Facebook & Twitter looked and worked as if they were farmed out to first year grad students to develop for the said brands. I think that was also a huge mistake on Microsoft & Nokia’s part as if they want this phone to succeed beyond the technology geekdom they in turn need to focus in on apps like these two to ensure they are best of breed experiences, as these are your seeds for further adoption.

Where is spotify <editor’s note – it arrived today>? In that someone within Microsoft should have metrics around ensuring, apps on both Android/iPhone that are quite popular are also done on Windows Phone. I just do not see this happening.

Phones Size.

I forget who told me but I heard that this phone was thrown against the wall by a MLB player to show how strong and durable it is. I wouldn’t doubt that the phone would survive and it does give you a sense of relief at knowing that it’s not as fragile as the iPhone, which in turn means you don’t have a beautifully sculptured phone housed in a “hello kitty” phone case (don’t judge me).

Its size was never a problem for me with the exception of the thumb radius, in that I find when I type the size becomes an issue given the thumb has to extend more than I normally felt comfortable doing on the iPhone. It may seem small and trivial but over time it starts to become an issue and one that I felt a bit disappointed in given the phone itself felt great to hold aside from typing.

Keyboard is broken.

In general, the whole keyboard experience on the Windows Phone is amateur hour at best. There is some smarts in the autocorrect that should make whoever that evil bastard at Apple who owns autocorrect is, take notice. That being said, the phone in general is poorly designed, inconsistent and often prone to bugs / errors in its execution. I could blame a developer of an app I guess for the bulk of the issues but I have never experienced a problem like the ones I have on the iPhone, so for me it has to be a platform / SDK issue.

The issues I faced are keyboard hiding the input that I’m typing into, the screen real estate at times going beyond 1/3 ratio,  at times the keyboard I type into takes the keystrokes but nothing happens on the text input and my biggest pet hate is the key designs are badly designed & in need of a serious pixel diet.

I find the keys to narrow and the padding is way off, I think the keyboard could probably steal more from the iPhone here simply because the iPhone still has the same hit space as Windows Phone only they have made the key designs tighter in visual appearance. This in turn creates an interesting thing, given it becomes a forcing function and helps guide your accuracy on keystroke without you realizing that the actual hit surface is still quite larger than it appears (try both you’ll see what I mean)

Tiles are like one of those puzzle games.

Initially I have always found the front screen of Windows Phone to be appealing, I have often commented that this is the familiar face in a crowd that you will both recognize and enjoy seeing. Having used the phone every day for a month or so, it becomes a point of annoyance. I found myself searching at times for apps or tiles that I want to access but cannot find because I am playing a puzzle game of “where’s the symbol in these tiles”.

For instance, I caught myself one afternoon searching for the Phone icon to make a phone call, I mean I found it but it got lost in the sea of tiles for me. I just think the overall lack of icons and personality in each Tile wares on you after a while and many of the apps start to blend in with one another to the point where you probably swipe to the left to get the list view.

I have had many a debate / beers with folks who counter this remark with their own experiences or how their wife/cousin/father/friend etc. all disagree with my assertion here. I simply disagree; I think that the live tiles are missing a key ingredient that is being overlooked – personality. Technically, it is still possible to salvage this but right now, not every developer out there has a freakin clue on what this means.

Internet Explorer aint no stinkin Webkit.

Having worked in the company and been in on internal discussions around Internet Explorer’s future all I can simply ask aloud is why Microsoft continues to push this agenda is still one that I get lost on. Initially it was about controlling your own destiny combined with legacy issues around “help” etc. in existing solutions.

On a brand new phone that went from being a plugin to a UX Platform to then housing a browser within it well sort of jumped the shark a little in and around the rationale for keeping IE alive.

I personally don’t care about the browser wars or which browser has better support then the other, I do care however when my online banking website doesn’t work on Windows Phone but does on Android/iPhone/Other.

This was a deal breaker for me as sure I could sit there and blast an email off to ANZ for failing to accommodate the 0.01% market share of Windows Phone users out there, to which I would not likely get a response. I could change banks, but keep in mind ANZ is one of the largest banks in Australia & New Zealand – clue is in the name  – or I could simply say “it works on a webkit browser but not IE”.

Other sites I visited were not as happy as they should be and there was nothing technically stopping them from working I guess with Internet Explorer – suffice to say that I would wager most web developers out there really have switched off the care factor on supporting Internet Explorer given its historical fail rate.

All I am saying is if you are trying to get a new phone seeded into the market place with stronger market share, why invite more negativity by keeping Internet Explorer on life support when in turn you could have smoothed over some developer and end user experiences for relatively low-cost via WebKit.

Nothing technically was stopping this from happening as I know we had WebKit prototypes inside Silverlight via the Mac installs (hence we run YouTube videos inside Silverlight that break into puzzles). That and I personally before I left the Silverlight team, was working to shim Webkit into the Silverlight runtime via Windows given it would help smooth out our Out of Browser story in a uniform / consistent way (x-platform)

MossyBlog_gfxIn Summary

Look the phone has a lot of potential to succeed, I did enjoy the phone initially and I can see why others may find it attractive. I think however Microsoft are squandering a lot of its potential with poor execution of simple experiences, to the point where it’s not just one big thing that annoys you about the phone – it’s really death by a thousand cuts.

It could very well be that my bias of using an iPhone for the past 4 years is showing through which is fair, but in reality, this is something that the phone has to contend with early. In that if you want people to jump across from Apple or Android to this phone, well, what is the pathway to do this? Will I have the same level of Apps I had on the other platform(s)? If not when?

Nokia have also got a bit to answer for in their software experiences as well, for example, the Camera application is fragmented at best but at the same time, it has really failed to do the basics of a normal camera application. An example comes to mind in that the settings you opt for (i.e. close up for example) don’t appear on the hud of the camera? WTF! – I had it on close-up one day for a photo then later that day I was outside taking a photo of one of the biggest Planes in production but the camera kept focusing on the fence in front of the plane!  Scratching my head I realized after two shots that I forgot I had close-up on, so there I was navigating my way through menu settings to get it back to normal.

Point is, it simple things like this that bank hate debt with the user.

The camera itself however was quite impressive, I really did enjoy using it and as much as  tired I couldn’t get the camera to adhere to the whole auto stabilization that we saw in those fake ads – but to be fair, I never am good with Cameras in the first place so I simply blamed it on user error.

As I said, it is not one big thing it’s simply lots of small things that when you add them up you are left with simple questions – “Why am I using this? Why did I give up my iPhone and is it still worth it”

With that, I am sorry to say the phone is now my developer device, which at times can also be farmed out to my kids as a gaming device as well. I find the kids’ corner and business hub ideas to be actually brilliant differentiators but right now, they are still parked in the good idea bay.

Scott Barnes.

(image credits - Scott Barnes)

Note from WPDU: We would like to extend our thanks to Scott (aka @MossyBlog) for accepting our invite for a special guest contribution. If you are are looking for Developer tips on Design and UI and haven’t been reading his site Riagenic; where design and technology intersect, then you better start! As a companion piece, you can see his original thoughts in Week 1 of his Windows Phone 8 trial over at his blog here.

  • http://www.wpdownunder.com/ Sheeds

    For the record, the handset Scott had been using in his trial is a Lumia 920 (per his original post linked above).

  • David Sanderson

    Proofread, my son. Proofread.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      meh, i have always sucked at it.. one day i’ll brush up on my high school grammar/spelling skills but in reality i’m lazy and rely on pattern recognition to handle that burden of decoding what was said. If you’re one of these people who sit there agonizing the way things are written on the web then you’re probably going to be that guy who sits on his front veranda wearing a tracksuit, wrap around sunglasses and yelling at kids with things like “Get off my lawn”.

      The web must be an agonising existence for you.

      • David Sanderson

        Don’t make fun of tracksuits. They’re actually quite comfortable.

        • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

          i wasnt mocking them.. i was just outlining the fashion on the day :D

  • braid

    Perhaps it was bad before? I’m not sure but I reckon the current Facebook app on wp8 is miles better than the iPhone one.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      Try it.. i dare you… and compare… I maybe wrong on some points above, but that one… noway is that even close… the FB app on Wp8 was not only rushed but i’ve had friends inside Microsoft wince when I ask who developed it..

  • Peter Hollow

    He is right about the keyboard unless you turn the WP and use it in landscape. Predictive text is great however. It would be better if you could change the colour of any tile. Also if you choose the light (white background), the text is still black on (I have chosen blue) tiles so it is hard to read. Likewise, it would be good if there was a splash of colour on the (non-active) parts of the tiles. He could have placed the important tiles into quarter sized tile groups or chose the other two sizes of medium and large for priority.
    I think his issues are the same as those computer users who are not Windows PC users in that you don’t have the flexibility of organising the metro start screen, desktop and taskbar to suit your needs. You can place important tiles up the top and less important ones further down or swipe left. The personality he is talking about is all about the active tile part for me but also this is the thing about Apple they are pretty but not always functional and connected via hubs that work together in WP. WP’s are more personal just like the P (Personal) C (computers) are customisable.
    He is totally right in that there is not enough banking (+ other popular) apps but I use the excellent CBA NetBank so not a problem for me.
    I noted he did not talk about Nokia Drive+, wireless charging or the fact that in the long-term there will be advantages in having the same (single ecosystem) that the majority of world uses for their computers and that is Microsoft Windows (especially Windows 8). It is simplest to have all Windows, all Apple or all Android. Why mix ecosystems? Long-term having a Windows Phone, Surface slate, Windows PC and even a Windows Xbox driven TV (for games and media) should make a lot sense really. All he needs to do is be patient.
    I have a Nokia Lumia 920 and I LOVE it but tidying up the issues he discussed should be urgent priority for Microsoft.

  • Sambo

    I never thought I would post something like this, but here goes:
    Why doesn’t Scott just go back to his pathetic iPhone and leave his comments to himself.
    WPDU, I am upset that you would even consider allowing this guest post.

    • http://www.wpdownunder.com/ Sheeds

      Thanks for the feedback. I extended an open invite to MossyBlog to contribute an article here. I don’t believe in censoring guest contributions, and believe that the readers here are a well-informed and discerning lot – capable of objective counter-arguments to points raised above :)

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      I did go back to it.. i thought I mentioned that.. Are you angry I went back to the iPhone or are you angry that someone said “no, i dont like the phone you like”… anger / fear?

  • Ryan

    This is a pretty terrible article, sorry. Arguments like this get torn apart daily on forums like WPCentral, and that’s exactly where this kind of post belongs.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      Start tearing :) i’ll go the pepsi challenge.

  • AS147

    Hi Scott, I read your article and get the impression you were tyrying to be objective but it came over as a bit of a token gesture to me. I am surprised by this because when I discovered your site recently I took the effort to commend you on an intelligently well written piece (a rarity in todays sensationalist crappy blog journalism).

    However, as said you barely mentioned the positives, owning a Lumia 920 surprises me that you mitted things like the class leading camera (you barely mentioned it), Nokia Drive and many of the other free Nokia apps, the quality of the hardware, wireless charging, great screen, solid device etc etc

    Anyway, there are a couple of points I’d like to focus on, first you mention having tiles with “character”. I am not a developer and would appreciate an example of what you mean by this. If it is the app making use of live tiles, you can hardly blame MS for this and unless you force devs to do this (not a good thing) I can’t see it happening across the board. Almost 99% of the apps I have all support live tiles.

    Whilst we are on tiles I am puzzled how you can get lost looking for an app. I keep my most used apps at the top and they descend in importance further down the screen. I also have tiles in the same application categories together i.e. news apps, rss feeds etc all in the middle and travel related apps at the bottom with keep fit stuff between these last two.

    Also the live tiles are miles ahead of any other platform of static icon after icon and as they are still relatively new you should give them a chance to improve. Personally I love them. I’d love to tweak the live tile information flips so that a particular app can rotate between two sides of a tile more quickly i.e. accuweather displays the current temp but takes quite a while to display the back of the tile which contains the expected high and low temp.

    Also while we are on the small matters why oh why does Zune and Nokia music not support random songs a working sliders so you can granulary move forwards and backwards in a track!!!

    For the record I have no issue with the keyboard and find it fine. I agree the top 10 apps should be quality iems used as a showcase.

    Lastly webkit. Is this not a matter of changing the rendering engine and keeping the rest of IE? You know they are never getting rid of the IE brand and .I told you I wasn’t a developer.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      I’m not here to evangelize the phone, for me the positives were expected. The thing that I often grind against daily when talking in the Wp8 space is how we’re supposed to high five one another over stuff you just expect. The camera is great, it’s yes awesome a night, but i rarely take photos at night so what the hell do I care about its night time photography? Most photos I take of my kids, family, scenery etc is in environments where lighting is normal.

      My point is it becomes this weak posture point to position any device on, it looses sight of practicality and all it does is echo what the Product Marketing team need you to echo.

      RE: Tiles with Character.
      When you got to a theme park, you are immersed in the theme of the ride. From the point you queue to the point you hop on the ride there is a constant bombardment of theming going on. Apple handle this in a reasonably ok way by using the whole digital skeuomorphism and sure some like that some dont..but (always one).. the objective here isn’t to emulate wooden textures etc its to give the user a break away from the repetitive consistency, that is to say it provides a visual relief to what could be argued as a mundane existence (there’s a reason why book covers aren’t just 1x solid color and 1x font size/style).

      My point is, Tiles over time could be be reduced, they could have more of a book cover style approach, meaning they will compete for your attention but at the same time have to strike a balance between compete and being noisey. iPhone/Android still use the rounded Icons because for them each app’s experience should start at the icon and work its way back.

      Metro Tiles are just a solid state icon 90% of the time. The times when devs embrace the live tiles they in turn do more but then become at times quite to busy with movement…which imho is bad thing to do as its like visiting this blog with banner ads everywhere.. distracting, annoying and I could care less what is going on around me, just let me do what i want to do (in this case read).

      RE: IE
      They can keep IE brand just retain parity with rendering so its no more of this “IF/ELSE” statement on undisciplined web teams (which is approx 80% of them imho)

      • Mudrat

        Scott I have used a 4S for 3 months got sick of how backward it was. You say tiles do not work or take you on a ride. Apple have done nothing as if you have apps in folders you have to go into the folder to check the app. A tile tells me how many messages I have and who from. Apple does not.
        Quote “Metro Tiles are just a solid state icon 90% of the time”. Well I was unaware Apple had made live tiles. Their tiles do nothing. So they are solid state. For reference, solid state means having no moving parts, hence Apple icons do nothing, just take up your home screen.
        I currently have the following phones, Nokia 820 for photo work. HTC 8S for day to day use & Samsung Galaxy Note 2. Which I use to edit and create flyers and send to family for updates or messaging or letting clients see work in progress. As I can make quick notes using the S pen,
        Apple can not supply a phone that does not met my needs.
        Tom Cook quote “Apple is the innovator”. Well if Apple was forging ahead the iPhone would have multi tasking, an S pen for quick note taking. Swipe keyboard for faster typing. Note: Current world record for sending text message is on an Android phone using swipe. The Apple app store 3rd party swipe keyboards are pathetic, I used one on my 4S and it was useless.

  • Narna

    Hi Scott. Thanks for at least trying a Windows phone but your article makes me wonder if you even used it?

    The image quality on a Lumia 920 is far better than an iPhone and at night I am amazed at the images it can get when you think its too dark. I was asked by a friend if I had a new camera when I sent her some random snaps, considering we both worked in camera sales and I have a snazzy SLR you can imagine my surprise at her reaction to a phone camera!

    I find the keyboard the best I have tried, easier to type on than an iPhone and the androids I have tried, not as accurate as a full set of real keys but the best of the touch screens. I can only imagine that after 4 years with a iPhone your fingers know a set pattern and you didn’t give it enough time to let them adjust.

    Did you try any of the Nokia apps? It one of the reasons to buy a Lumia. City lens is great tool and fun to show off. Nokia drive with its downloadable maps works brilliantly and doesn’t care if you leave signal range. Nokia Maps is simple but accurate with quick GPS location and I actually use it when navigating (as opposed to driving).

    How about the hardware goodies? Did you try the wireless charging? That is one of the best advances in phones – no need to fumble with cords and plug it in just drop on the charger on you bedside table overnight, so easy. Combine that with WiFi and NFC and you have tap to connect/play.charge music station (check out the JBL music docks).

    You complain about the app store and while I agree there are a few holes they are being plugged quickly. You SHOULD hassle ANZ about an App, they have fallen behind CBA and NAB who do support it. I don;t use Spotify but if you love it I can see why its important. As for war of the clones – take another look in the iPhone store and tell me how many unique Apps there actually are. Part of the charm of Windows Phone IS consistency of design, you know where to find things, or at least where to expect them.

    Your article talks about ‘Windows Phone’ not a particular handset. There are at least 5 handsets of various sizes, perhaps you should try a smaller one instead of the largest one on the market? Besides a Lumia 920 isn’t much bigger than an iPhone 4, and is generally smaller if you are using a case to protect your apple product. Yes I know the iPhone 5 is a tiny device, just don’t drop it, ok.

    Your comment about the live tiles puzzle also indicates you barely used the phone. Tiles don’t move around on their own, the ‘Phone Call’ was exactly where you left it, and if you didn’t move it at all its near the top in plain view with an obvious telephone handset shape on it. How could you lose that?

    Oddly I have found internet explorer to be VERY useful but I agree my banks web login didn’t work, luckily they have a VERY good Windows Phone App I can use instead. Perhaps you should have adjusted the IE settings to display normal websites instead of mobile optimised ones? You seem jaded with IE in general and I’m wondering if you use it all, as my primary browser I have no problems using it on my computers for any tasks. Maybe if you a power developer that ‘breaks into puzzles’ you need a custom browser. It is VERY obvious that you do care what browser we are all using and that it should be ‘stinkin Webkit’ and not Internet Explorer.

    Overall I found you article to be very biased and having the feel of “oops forgot I was supposed to review this phone better take it out for a day” rather than “after a month here’s what i found”. I’m sorry you had such a hard time with your new phone and I agree for you the right decision is to stay with your iPhone. But aren’t you glad there is so much choice and innovation in the modern smart-phone market? I know I am, and I LOVE my Lumia 920.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      Around 2008, I used to go to Adobe Community / Blogs and defend Silverlights positon, because it was my job as an Evangelist for Microsoft to do so. Even before I typed the first key stroke I knew it was a fools errand, simply because all you’re doing is walking into a church and yelling “GOD IS NOT REAL”. You may at times make one or two people pause long enough to ask some deeply personal questions but ultimately you see a crowd form around you, sheltering all new thoughts and at times taking personal swipes at you mixed with biased / religious fevered views against ones arguments.

      I got that spidey sense when I agreed to pump out a quick review for this blog. I felt it was important to not sit here and echo the same wishy washy positive / negative SWOT reviews you see all the time – instead – i opted for a review I’d give someone at a cubicle if they asked “So whats your thoughts on Wp8″..

      The above is that answer. I’m not a journalist and i’m not a professional reviewer, I’m simply a guy who spends a lot of time studying this device, its community and lastly its future(s). I’m the guy who used to be on the team that made the UX Platform for this device and I was also the guy who has evangelized professional onbehalf of Microsoft.

      For me this is not good enough for what it could have been. I am a tough grader because i don’t accept that a phone should just limp across the finish line that Android/iPhone have already ran across. There is nothing stopping this phone and its operating system from leap frogging those devices and i’m hopeful with the next release we will see signs of that. I’m hopeful a close friend of mine who’s taking over some of the reigns in its design who is 20x the grader I am when it comes to UX design will be the change agent we need going forward.

      Today the phone is below par and its an aggregated death by 1000 cuts experience. Who’s right and who’s wrong simply will come down to the transactions both in buying the phones and the AppStore within the said phones.

      Right now Blackberry is beating it… Seriously.. Blackberry.

      • http://twitter.com/Alteris101 Alteris

        Lol blackberry

  • kalval

    The wp8 keyboard in my experience, and in the experience of most reviewers, is better than iOS or stock android.

    I agree to a certain extent about the app UI. I think many of the apps are half assed because many developers are negative towards wp and don’t put much effort in. As for the UI of the OS, I think tiles could be improved by many apps using a normal app icon rather than theme coloured tiles – it is Microsofts job to find a way for this to look good. Even the live tiles need some work, as I often find the large sized email or calendar tiles could fit a lot more on them with smaller text and maybe a few non text UI elements (I know this is not the wp way, but in some situation the lack of non text UI elements starts to impact usability).

    Moving on to the browser, for most sites I find IE10 better than webkit. Those on which it does not work have no excuse. Microsoft has mentioned to web developers that if they can’t be bothered making it work for mobile IE10, just treat ie10 as webkit, and the browser should make it work. This is being very flexible on microsofts part. Why should they move to webkit when they have a product that is in many ways on par, and in some ways better than webkit based alternatives. They have made IE10 on wp very flexible, and it really is ANZ’s fault for not putting in one line of code to treat mobile IE10 as webkit.

    As for the camera app, once again I agree that the UI is subpar, and again I find myself annoyed at the absolute commitment to the metro UI. In some situations the simplistic text only UI is nice and efficient, but many other situations require a more complex UI, and I think microsofts biggest failing here is refusing to acknowledge these situations, and instead sticking with too much UI consistency and not enough flexibility.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      Agreed. My wife initially hated the keyboard so i could probably argue she added a bias towards my feelings towards it given I find myself justifying where i stand on it. It could of gone unnoticed maybe? doubtful as I’m the guy who would agonize over every single detail of a device right down to screw selections… (p.s I hate torx screws, i get comps dont want me to open shit.. but seriously… i own it..)

      To me the keyboard has two simple issues – it abused the 1/3 ratio and its key design is done in a lazy fashion. If you add spacing to an input you’d be amazed at how the human mind identifies that as a pattern that they feel calm about… even though technically the keys footprint could still go unchanged..its just a visual trick.

      IE10 is a sticking point for the web – end of discussion. Every day we positioned Silverlight to developers the push back 90% of the time came back due to Internet Explorer and trust, it broke so many hearts & minds over the years its basically polluted the well. As I said personally I couldn’t care less as I know a lot of the guys who worked on it and how much energy/passion they put into it – but – sadly that horse had already bolted resulting in less developers embracing its new existence and more developer teams disregarding it.

      So yeah, we could all write a lengthy email to ANZ cursing their teams for not being responsive to yet another release of IE? .. ok maybe we get change maybe we dont..now what about the other sites that aren’t doing the same thing? at what point do you stop finger pointing at the developers world wide and more at Microsoft Internet Explorer?

      WebKit adoption would be more of a token of respect and trust then technical wizardry. Why compete with a ball of code that’s already got so much investment from different angles on it? ..sure by competing you invoke innovation, but when you have 2/3rds of the entire Internet Explorer team leave Microsoft to work on Webkit…. seriously? what was the innovation again and why did they leave?

      • kalval

        Some love the k/b, some hate it. It would be nice to have a few different keyboards for the broad spectrum they are trying to appeal to rather than taking the apple approach ‘you’ll use it and you’ll like it’.

        I still prefer to use IE10 on desktop because of it’s integration with Windows 8, and I don’t like the UI of chrome. IE10 is fast, reliable and secure and honestly I have found it’s website compatibility better than Firefox or chrome. When it comes to mobile the majority of users prefer the mobile version of websites to the desktop version (the desktop version usually works well when the mobile fails), and this is where we IE10 users run into trouble. But I don’t feel that IE needs to switch to webkit to fix the problem. If IE10 can render a page correctly without web devs needing to make any change from the webkit page, only requiring them to insert a line basically saying ‘ignore the fact that this is IE, just pretend it’s webkit’ then why should anyone be upset? Even if the guys at Microsoft were to cave and go webkit with IE, web devs would have to do the EXACT same thing. So what’s the point? You are just killing competition for no reason at that point.

        An example of this is the recent Google maps kerfuffle where changing mobile IE10 to identify itself as something else resulted in a fully functional Google maps, whereas when it signalled itself as ie10 Google redirected to a basic page with no maps function. I am not willing to root my device to try it, but I bet that same trick would work for ANZ.

        The fact that other folks don’t like ie10 shouldn’t stop them supporting it. Microsoft supports osx with office, and has apps for it’s major services available on ios and android. Why? Because it is in their best interests to get maximum sales/users/traffic. When office was released for osx it had a similar share among desktop OS users as Windows phone has among mobile right now. The difference is that Windows phone is going to grow a lot faster (due to some really nice hardware coming this year- bold prediction I know :) ) And changing one line of code is a much smaller deal than making office. For a bank as big as ANZ not to bother is just lazy and shows lack of attention to detail.

        IE were the first to release a beta browser with GPU rendering, and they have really driven progress on a number of other huge improvements to the major browsers we see today. Do we really want to get rid of that?

      • kalval

        Also anz will update if it gets pressure from it’s users, and in wp gets enough market share.

  • Greg

    I have been developing an app and it is now available for Iphone and Android. I have plans to also make it available for WP. I have an Iphone and a HTC Windows Phone. I am familiar with them both and always choose to use the Windows Phone over the Iphone. It is a personal choice for me. There is no doubt that Apple marketing is the best though and I would not expect less from such a company.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      I went into this phone with high hopes from my previous HTC Mozart.. for me, its a phone and less a religion.. I own iPads, Androids, Wp8/W8, Macbooks, iMacs, PC’s, XBOX, PS3 ..basically my wife hates my spending on gadgets.. i am constantly in search of a device that works with me and i’m not having to fight my way through its features to get to the things i need from it.

      This phone felt like a fight, i went back to iPhone. Do i consider the iPhone the best of all, not really, i’m bored with the phone still hence I’m trying out phones. The current wp8 version does nothing for me right now to entice a switch, I tried Android and it’s just chaos.. so imho Wp8 at least deserves 2nd position over Android.

  • Greg Thomson

    The Lumia starts out as a 4.5″ screen sized device. It doesn’t begin as a 3.8″ and miraculously grow. Therefore saying the device is too big, well doesn’t have any rational reason for being in this opinion piece. After all, one doesn’t buy a Van and then complain that it just doesn’t fit into small car parking spaces… Lumia is a range, pick a smaller phone if size is an important component of the decision.

    • http://twitter.com/MossyBlog Scott Barnes c[×┬õ]כ

      “Its size was never a problem for me with the exception of the thumb radius..” .. the defense rests your honor.

  • Narna

    BTW. Spotify is now available for Windows Phone 8! I think it has only just arrived but its definitely in the Windows Store.

  • tomakali

    call 911, Scott ate the forbidden apple or might have penetrated by droid bot

  • Mudrat

    Scott “Keyboard is broken”

    Please explain this more, I am very curious.
    You go on to say the phone is poor design, what does this even have to do with the design of the phone, your referring to the keyboard.
    Prone to bug’s and inconsistent? What app are you talking about and what keyboard?

    You then go on to say that: ” I could blame a developer of an app I guess for the bulk of the issues but I have never experienced a problem like the ones I have on the iPhone, so for me it has to be a platform / SDK issue.”
    Are you meaning there are bugs on your iPhone?
    Maybe you need to go back to your notes as you were talking about the keyboard and have gone way off track.

  • charliewyatt

    i laughed as soon as i read “mossyblog”. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Scott.